THE RAPTURE

Friend,

If I never touched upon this topical material I would be both a liar; and, would be responsible for hiding what I have learned through my own personal study time. Unfortunately this particular doctrine has an enormous stranglehold upon the "Church;" and, men who are "untaught" and "untrained" have been twisting Paul's words to teach what the Bible doesn't teach; and, to say what Messiah never said.

The study of this particular doctrine lead to my leaving Calvary Chapel after fifteen years. My leaving came because I realized that my pastor either could not; or, would not answer the really hard pressing questions. When I finished the study I have placed before you published by Dr. Van Kampen's daughter Kristen Wisen (which I offer to you humbly for your own edification; examination; and, testing) I  was afraid. Even now I distinctly recall staring at the popcorn ceiling in our bedroom feeling afraid as I sat back in my chair. The hair on my skin literally stood upright.  

What brought fear was that I realized I had been deceived to believe something the Bible does not teach. I was afraid because I wondered...what else have I been deceived about? 

Because I had been doing these studies on the various positions regarding the timing of Messiah's return; I chose to approach the head pastor with the study right below on the Pre-Wrath Position published by the daughter of the Late Robert Van Kampen. I did so in earnest because I was afraid of being a heretic; and, of being deceived; or, of teaching false doctrine to other men as the Pharisees did.

Here is the Study. You may download it HERE.


I was genuinely concerned as to why Calvary chapel was teaching the Pre-Tribulation doctrine; and, wanted more evidence; or, at least for the head Pastor to have an opportunity to answer my questions; and, concerns. 

When I shared it with him I told him I was concerned; and, that I wanted to make sure I wasn't diving off into a direction that was false rather than truth. He appreciated me asking for his help; and, guidance; and, took it from me. About six weeks later he approached me after a Wednesday night service to speak to me. As he handed the study back to me he told me that he couldn't find anything wrong with it from a scriptural standpoint; but, that I should remember it was "just one man's interpretation." 

That didn't sit well with me. First he tells me he can't discredit the study; nor, could he find anything wrong from a scriptural point of view; then he proceeded to dismiss it instead of defending his own position that he was teaching. Something about it was all wrong. Why did this trouble me so much? The next morning I was making a cup of coffee in the kitchen waiting for the water to boil in the microwave when I suddenly had a thought. 

Wasn't he just one man? Isn't Chuck Smith just one man? Isn't Greg Laurie just one man? Isn't Raul Ries just one man? Isn't Chuck Missler just one man? Collectively they are in agreement. But what makes THEIR interpretation of the timing of the "rapture" of the congregation right; and, Van Kampen's wrong? What if the truth was actually reversed? What if THEY were the ones actually teaching false doctrine; and, THEY are the ones who are deceived; and, as a result of their own deception; are in turn deceiving US as a result?

WHAT ELSE COULD THEY
BE WRONG ABOUT?
 

This wasn't the only issue I was having at the time. I was also fiercely determined to figure out WHEN Messiah was actually born; not, what we are taught as "tradition." When I brought up that Messiah couldn't possibly have been born in December (a fact the head pastor had himself brought up in a study one night) then WHY does the church celebrate December 25th as his "birthday?" Were you aware it has a connection to the Abomination of Desolation in Maccabees when the Temple was desecrated by Antiochus Epiphanies? Why do we have the association with fir trees? Why do we decorate them with silver; and, gold; standing them upright when the prophet Jeremiah declares we are NOT to do such things?

His answer was EXACTLY the same as Tevia's in Fiddler on the Roof.

TRADITION  

This lead me later into studying the Hebrew Calendar; then the Feasts of Adonai; then I had two visions in 2010 one the following night after the other. One where the creator revealed Himself as a Whirlwind (I saw no human form) showing me that HIS WRITTEN TORAH WAS THE WAY. He communicated with no words; only a vision including the whirlwind; and, His Word itself. The second vision was frightening; terrifying. I was approached by the adversary who clearly declared his hatred for me; I could not make out his face; but, he was reptilian; like a snake; and, hissed as he swayed back and forth. Screaming at me "I HATE YOU!!!" It woke me as I cried out for Moshiach! 

YESHUA!!!! I SCREAMED OUT
AS I AWOKE NOT ONLY MYSELF; BUT,
MY WIFE AND CHILDREN

I'm going to assert to you that studying the Feasts of the LORD A.K.A. the Feasts of Adonai will teach you about the gathering of His People; and, the timing of His return which are HIDDEN in the text for those of us who love Wisdom; and, His Truth. 

HINT IT ISN'T WHEN YOU THINK.

We need to pay much closer to the words of Messiah; because if we do not the enemy will use them to confuse you; and, lead you to destruction if possible. Messiah Himself was angry with the Pharisees for teaching the TRADITIONS OF MEN AS COMMANDMENTS. There are in-fact many religions today who are guilty of this very thing teaching traditions over truth.

TRADITIONS

Which do you want? The truth? Or the Traditions of Man which are in truth lies; and, deceptions of the enemy to blind you. When I left Calvary Chapel my focus for that year was to read the Bible for MYSELF FROM COVER TO COVER. I didn't want any input from outside; and, during that year I didn't go to church physically anywhere; but, read the Word from Cover to cover; every book; every chapter; every verse; every word. It was two visions; separated by the day appearing to me in the night that altered the direction of my study; and, declared to me the enemy was in fact REAL.

Many people are confusing the WRATH OF SATAN (the deceiver) with the Wrath of YAHUAH (יהוה) and HIS MESSENGER YAHUSHA (יהושׁע) whom many call "Jesus."

YAHUSHA (יהושׁע) A.K.A. "JESUS" is NOT SATAN. HE IS THE MESSENGER OF YAHUAH. BUT THERE IS ONE COMING WHO WILL DECLARE TO THE WORLD THAT HE IS MESSIAH YAHUSHA (יהושׁע) ; BUT, HE WILL BE A LIAR; AND, WILL DRAW MANKIND TO THE WORSHIP OF THE MOON GOD; AND, IT WILL BE DONE FROM JERUSALEM.

The Great Tribulation will come; it will be upon us soon; very soon; and, those who SUBMIT to the deity who is in-fact Satan will be marked for eternal punishment. DO NOT offer your loyalty to the one who cannot offer you eternal life. DO NOT OFFER YOURSELF TO THE ONE WHO CANNOT RAISE YOU FROM THE DEAD; OR, FORGIVE YOUR INIQUITY.


Because this is such a hotly debated topic I have decided to post materials that helped me in my own understanding and eventually a paper to accompany this page. Initially when I started looking at he different positions on the "rapture" [the Latin translation (rapio) of the Greek term Harpadzo]. 

I was shocked to discover there were so many variations of these doctrines about the second coming of Messiah. My own personal motivation was simply to be able to give a defense for the joy I had. One day in particular I was in a taco shop in El Monte and wound up in a conversation with another person; (a Christian) about the timing of Messiah's return. He told me he was "Pan-Trib." 

I was like WHAT??? 

He says to me: "Don't worry about it. It will all PAN OUT in the end." 

Then he laughed. Except this isn't a laughing matter. 

Fortunately I decided to actual do some digging; and, some studying. I STARTED with the Pre-Tribulation Rapture Doctrine; because that was what was being taught to us at Calvary Chapel. Around that time my birth mother was doing some of her own digging; and, she went off into another direction. I began by reading some of the same books she did; and, found myself rejecting others she sent my direction. 

One of the first book I read was written by the former Founder of Van Kampen Investment. Robert Van Kampen "The Sign Of Christ's Coming; and, the End of the Age."


READ IT FREE ONLINE AT ARCHIVE.ORG (LINK)

Then I found myself reading another book by Robert Van Kampen "The Rapture Question Answered"


Unfortunately reading this book didn't answer my questions; but, rather gave me even more. Mr. Van Kampen had been influenced by a friend of his Marvin Rosenthal so I began reading Rosenthal's books about the Pre-Wrath Position which has one UNIQUE caveat to the other positions. They intentionally distinguish between the Wrath that originates from Satan (our adversary); and, the Wrath that originates from the Creator. They are NOT the SAME; nor, is the REASON for the wrath the same.

  • SATAN'S WRATH IS AGAINST THE RIGHTEOUS.

  • THE CREATOR'S WRATH IS AGAINST THE WICKED
    (ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO HAVE KILLED HIS SERVANTS).


Another man who wrote on the Pre-Wrath Rapture of he Church whose books I read was a man named Charles Cooper. The first book of his came after reading many issues of "Parousia" magazine; and, after listening to debates between him; and, others that I will be posting on this page. First I read "God's Elect and The Great Tribulation: An Interpretation of Matthew 24:1-31 and Daniel 9."


Then I read Charles cooper's book:
"How to Survive the Great Tribulation: Fight; Flight; or, Faith."



HERE ARE SOME RESOURCES FOR YOU BASED UPON THE PRE-WRATH POSITION FROM:

IN VIEW OF THE END: WHAT CAN WE EXPECT?



IN THE VIEW OF THE END WORKBOOK



REVELATION CHART

REVELATION OUTLINE





  • SESSION # 1: THE MILLENNIUM (LINK)
  • SESSION # 2: DANIEL'S 70th WEEK (LINK)
  • SESSION # 3: THE 30 DAYS (LINK)
  • SESSION # 4: THE 45 DAYS (LINK)
  • SESSION # 5: THE RAPTURE (LINK)
  • SESSION # 6: THE DAY OF THE LORD (LINK)
  • SESSION # 7: THE PRE-WRATH RAPTURE (LINK)
  • SESSION # 8: TIMING OF THE RAPTURE (LINK)
  • SESSION # 9: RAPTURE PROBLEMS (LINK)
  • SESSION # 10: IN VIEW OF THE END (LINK


 A WRINKLE IN THE PRE-TRIBULATION ARGUMENT THAT DESERVES ATTENTION


Many like to point out that we are "not appoint to wrath" quoting:

1 Thessalonians 5:9-10:
For god did not appoint us to wrath; but, to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ who died for us that whether we wake; or, sleep, we should live together with Him.

Here's the problem. If you do a brief topical study on Wrath by searching for the following search term "wrath of" you get a list around 38 verses that have wrath coming from various places! Here are a few; but, not an exhaustive list of them all:

  • The Wrath of YAHUAH (Numbers 11:33)
  • The Wrath of the Enemy (Deuteronomy 32:27) 
  • The Wrath of King Ahasuerus (Ester 2:1)
  • The Wrath of the Almighty (Job 21:20)
  • The Wrath of Elihu (Job 32:2)
  • The Wrath of Man (Psalms 76:10; and, James 1:20)
  • The Wrath of My Enemies (Psalms 138:7)
  • The Wrath of the Lord of Hosts (Isaiah 9:19; Isaiah 13:13)
  • The Wrath of God (Colossians 3:6; Ephesians 5:6)
  • The Wrath of the Lamb (Rev. 6:16)
  • The Wrath of the Harlots Fornication (Rev. 14:8; Rev. 18:3)


So whose "wrath" exactly are we
"not appointed to?"

Job was considered a righteous man; an upright man; one who feared Elohim; and, shunned evil. Yet he experienced the wrath of Satan against his family; his household; his servants; and, even his own body. How many of the prophets we read of in the TaNaK suffered? How many were killed? Have you ever read Maccabees to learn about the wrath that fell upon what remained of Israel? From where did it come? Who allowed it? 

What about Messiah? What about the Apostles of Messiah? Were they not persecuted? Is that not the wrath of Satan; or, of man; or, of our enemies? We must remember that the "wrath" we [true believers] are not appointed to is the Wrath of the God; the Wrath of the Lamp which falls upon the BEAST; and, HIS FOLLOWERS. 

WE ARE NOT EXEMPT FROM THE WRATH OF SATAN. WE ARE NOWHERE PROMISED DELIVERANCE FROM THE WRATH OF SATAN; OR, HIS FOLLOWERS. NOWHERE DOES THE TEXT OF THE BIBLE TELL US WE WON'T HAVE TRIBULATION; OR, SUFFER TRIBULATION. THE BIBLE ITSELF TELLS US THAT THE BIBLICAL WRITERS HAD AN EXPECTATION OF BEING SAVED FROM THE GRAVE; (OF BEING RESURRECTED) NOT NECESSARILY FROM BEING SAVED FROM THE HAND OF THEIR ENEMIES IN THIS LIFE. 

CERTAINLY THEY CRY OUT FOR SUCH THINGS; AS WE SHOULD; BUT, THE TEXT DECLARES OTHERWISE. IN FACT MESSIAH HIMSELF EVEN PROMISED THAT WE WOULD HAVE TRIBULATION. 

JOHN 16:33 

"...in the world you will have tribulation; but, be of good cheer; for I have overcome the world."

Just as Timo Shely asserts many are mistaking tribulation with the wrath of God. They are not the same. Just as in the book of Job Satan must come before the Almighty Himself; before His very throne to ASK PERMISSION before he can do ANYTHING

We see in the book of Job how the adversary tries to entice the Creator Himself to smite His servant Job. Instead the Creator declares that ALL Job has is within the power of Satan to do as HE DESIRES to Job. A contest if you will to see if the adversary can cause Job to curse YAHUAH (יהוה). First he takes Job's cattle; and, animals; then his servants; then his own children; but, leaves his wife who later tells Job to curse God and die. Job (the servant of YAHUAH) suffered tribulation in his life; and, many of us may in-fact suffer loss as Job did; perhaps even of our very lives.

Soon Satan and his angels will be cast down from the heavens to the earth. When that happens Satan will no longer have access to the Throne Room of the Creator; nor, will he have access to the second  heaven; and, he knows his time is short so he comes down with great wrath. What does he do when he gets here? He persecutes those who love the creator; and, obey HIS COMMANDMENTS.

HE PERSECUTES TRUE BELIEVERS 
HE PERSECUTES THOSE WITH
AUTHENTIC FAITH
 

Because I spent almost 15 years in the Calvery Chapel Movement I too was exposed to the doctrine we call the Pre-Tribulation Rapture. Hoever I had believed in it even before I was at Calvary Chapel thanks to the popular; and, deceptive book seris by Tim LaHaye "The Left Behind Series."At the time one of the teachers I LOVED to listen to teach was Chuck Missler. I will place his teaching here for you to compare to other perspectives. 

WHAT I AM HOPING/PRAYING THAT YOU WILL GAIN/UNDERSTAND THE MOST FROM THIS PAGE IS THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE WRATH WHICH COMES FROM SATAN IS PRIMARILY DIRECTED AGAINST THOSE WHO LOVE THE CREATOR AND CHOOSE TO OBEY HIS INSTRUCTIONS

HE DOES SO THROUGH EACH OF THE BEASTS IN DANIEL'S VISIONS. THE 4TH BEAST (THE IRON BEAST); AND, (THE IRON AND CLAY TOES) PERSECUTE THE SAME PEOPLE. 

THE BOOK OF REVELATION IS ABOUT THIS FOURTH BEAST. IT IS ABOUT WHAT IT DOES TO THE SERVANTS OF YAHUAH. THE BOOK OF REVELATION ISN'T JUST ABOUT THE 70TH WEEK. IT IS ABOUT THE CONDUCT OF THE BEAST OF IRON (# 4) IN DANIEL; AND, THE BEAST OF IRON OF CLAY ITS LATER COMPOSITE MAKEUP WHICH IS DIVIDED. 

DANIEL'S BEAST # 4
IS THE SAME BEAST AS BEAST # 7;
AND, # 8 IN REV: 17. 

SATAN PERSECUTES DURING THE 70TH WEEK OF DANIEL JUST AS HE DID IN WHEN HE DID IN ARMENIA; AND, IN GERMANY DURING WORLD WAR 1; AND, WORLD WAR II AS THEY SOUGHT TO EXPAND CONTROL. AS THEY SOUGHT TO DESTROY ALL THOSE WHO BEAR THE NAME OF YAHUAH IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER. THIS BEAST OF IRON CAUSED WORLD WIDE INVOLVEMENT OF NATIONS IN THIS STRUGGLE OF EVIL VS. GOOD. 

THE REST OF THE WORLD IS JUST COLLATERAL DAMAGE AS SATAN SEEKS TO DESTROY THE REMNANT OF YAHUAH; THE REMNANT OF JACOB WHO IS SCATTERED AMONG THE NATIONS.

[THIS FINAL BEAST EMPIRE] AND ITS LEADER(S); THE SHI'ITE MAHDI; AND, THE FALSE MESSIAH [A PAIR LIKE MOSES AND AARON] WILL LEAD THE UMMA [THE ISLAMIC COMMUNITY] TO MAKE WAR AGAINST THE REMNANT OF YAHUAH BECAUSE THEIR BELIEFS ARE CONDEMNED IN THE QU'RAN. 

ACCORDING TO THE QU'RAN; TO BELIEVE IN THE GODHEAD; TO BELIEVE THAT MESSIAH IS THE VERY MANIFESTATION OF YAHUAH; THE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE ELOHIM IS CONDEMNED BY THE QU'RAN. IT IS CALLED "SHIRK" AND IS CONSIDERED TO BE WORSE THAN COMMITTING MURDER. THE ONE WHO COMMITS THIS ACT IS KUFAR; AND, SHOULD BE EXECUTED BY BEHEADING.

THIS BEAST WILL CAUSE THE NATIONS TO BE DIVIDED INTO ALLIES VS. AXIES. 

THEY WILL MAKE WAR AGAINST THE FOLLOWERS OF YAHUAH (????) [WHOM MANY CALL "LORD"  OR YAHWEH] ; AND, HIS MESSENGER YAHUSHA (????) [WHOM MANY CALL "JESUS" OR "YESHUA" AN ARAMAIC NAME; AND, A HEBREW WORD THAT MEANS SALVATION. 

ACCORDING TO THE PROPHET DANIEL HE SEES THE BEAST PREVAILING OVER THE REMNANT. IT MEANS HE WILL WIN; AND, YAHUAH WILL ALLOW THEM TO THINK THAT VERY THING; RIGHT UP UNTIL HE POURS HIS WRATH OUT UPON THEIR EMPIRE. 

THE BOWL JUDGMENTS; AND, THE VIAL JUDGMENTS ARE POURED OUT UPON THE BEASTS EMPIRE AFTER YAHUAH (????) A.K.A. YAHWEH A.K.A. "LORD"  SENDS HIS MESSENGER YAHUSHA (????) A.K.A. "JESUS" TO "GATHER" THE EXILES "THE REMNANT" OF HIS PEOPLE WHO ARE ALIVE; AND, REMAIN UNTIL HIS COMING. 

THE SEAL JUDGMENTS BEGAN OPENING IN THE 13TH CENTURY WHEN MEHEMET II A 21 YEAR OLD SULTAN KNOWN AS "THE CONQUEROR"  CONQUERED THE LAST REMAINING VESTIGES OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE [THE BYZANTINE EMPIRE] TAKING CONSTANTINOPLE; AND, TURNING THE HAGIA SOPHIA INTO A MOSQUE [HIS FIRST ACT AS RULER]. 

I ASSERT STRENUOUSLY TO YOU THAT MEHEMET II WAS THE VERY RIDER ON THE WHITE HORSE SPOKEN OF IN REVELATION 6:1-2. THE OTHER SEALS HAVE BEEN OPENED AS WELL. STUDYING OUT THE HISTORY OF THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE IT BECOMES CLEAR THAT INDEED PEACE WAS TAKEN FROM THE EARTH. INDEED PEOPLE DID; AND, STILL DO CONTINUE TO KILL ONE ANOTHER. WE HAVE SEEN FAMINE; CORRUPTION; DEATH ALL COME FROM THIS EMPIRE.

THOSE WHO SURVIVE THE SWORD IN THE WILDERNESS WILL FIND MERCY BEING CAUGHT UP IN THE AIR A.K.A. "GATHERED" TO MEET HIM. FRIENDS MANY HAVE FOCUSED UPON THE TERMS "RAPTURE" AND NOT GATHER; GATHERED; GATHERING WHICH HOLD WAY MORE DATA!!! SEARCH THEM OUT PLEASE !!!!!!!! TIME IS SHORT.

I TELL YOU THE TRUTH
TRIBULATION IS COMING


(PART ONE)
CHUCK MISSLER TEACHING ABOUT
THE PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH

(PART TWO)
CHUCK MISSLER TEACHING ABOUT
THE PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE
OF THE CHURCH

CHARLES COOPER INTERVIEW





119 MINISTRIES: 
TESTING THE PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE DOCTRINE
FROM THE END OF DAYS SERIES

End of Days Series | Testing the Pre-Trib Rapture from TorahFamily on Vimeo.


PRE-TRIB RAPTURE VS. PRE-WRATH RAPTURE DEBATE
(OPENING STATEMENTS) 




PRE-TRIB VS. PRE-WRATH RAPTURE DEBATE PART 1


PRE-TRIB VS. PRE-WRATH RAPTURE DEBATE PART 2







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